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Submitted by Aaron on Sun, 2008-03-30 23:28.
From the pictures of the mishaps in races, it looked like a wild weekend.
Lisban Quintero won the CRCA A race, with Jonathan Bloom taking the B race and Ann Marie Miller winning the women's race. Ryan Pettit won at Branch Brook.
Other details are unavailable. I don't recognize the heavily clothed guys in the pictures from the Spring Series, so I will need help with their identities. I'm relying on the internet to fill in the gaping holes here, and yes, I already have all the Canadian "man drugs" I need already thank you.
Latest news: Looks like George Gyarmathy wins the 3/4ths Spring Series race and actually feels confident enough to celebrate.
Team Organic shots are here.
those of you with transportation should check these out for harder training races. It can be easier to get a much better workout there than at the CRCA races. Smaller fields mean you have to work more and make it easier to learn to read the race. There is a steep but short hill that you can't drift like on Harlem hill. Sure you can pull the pack around in central park and get a good workout too, but you'll kill your chances. In CP, unless you're a sprinter it's get in a break or you may as well ride to the Spoon.
Generally the guys that upgrade fast have a acceptable sprint, once they upgrade beyond 3s they quickly realize they aren't actually any good at it.
Upgrade system is fair enough, made easier this year. If you can't manage to top 7 a race, you don't get your upgrade. If you can't top 10 bear mountain, THEN DON'T DO IT! Obviously you aren't strong enough to place in that type of race. Figure out what you are good at, if anything at all (as a cat 4, most likely you aren't good at much) and do races that focus on that. Plain and simple. There appears to be plenty of non-sprinter 1s and 2s that somehow managed to get the required points.
Why do you want to upgrade if you can only finish 18th in your target races? Sounds like you're in the appropriate category now.
Can everyone with a title such as Dr., JD, CFP or CPA please sign in with these letters? We don't want to isolate Will any further.
sorry bitches, upgrade points ARE fair. if you SUCK, you don't get your upgrade. finish 18th place? HAHA!! finish top 7 next time.
STOP BITCHEN!!
i respond to my own posts sometimes. it's fun. sometimes i even respond and put someone else's name down!!!
Was an April Fools joke you fools!
cause they don't make us. I did however, vote for a sign in sight when they asked. Why would I post multiple times, bash Alan in 1 post, and then praise him in the latter 1/2 of my response post? I just reiterated my experience with my upgrade from 5 to 4, that was all. When Alan was attacked I stated my opinion because I think he is invaluable to our local scene. I have better things to do then respond to my own posts. Not much better, because I am posting.
i believe the asshole is the "No Offense" post who said alan was unqualified to judge an upgrade request. i mean you could post your name and we would know that you only made one of the three anon comments and not the others...
It would be great if there were more nearby road races. Imagine if there were a race in Harriman once a month. Unfortunately the permits are hard to come by, as are the people to run the events.
my comment about Judy miller off base? It wasn't an opinion piece, but a fact derived from a conversation I had with her. She granted upgrade, begrudgingly, stating I did not have enough variety in my program; only local park races. She also said she would not approve another upgrade for me without more breadth to my schedule. How is this off base? That being said, I do think Alan is about as great of a rep as we can have in the sport.
I've noticed a lot of folks fixating on Bear Mountain and a couple other races. Question ... do you think that the market for well run road races within 100 miles of NY is being met by promoters? Is supply meeting demand? If there was a race like Bear every weekend would you drop the dough and make the drive?
There is so much bitching about Spring Series, etc., but at least those guys are putting on a race.
I nominate 'no offense' for dumbest post of the year so far. Alan's been around racing for years, has the respect of many many riders you can't hold a candle to.
are way off based. They both have invested a lot of effort into this area's cycling scene. Frankly, I applaud them for putting up with whining bitches such as you and still showing up with a smile on their face.
These people take interest in seeing riders develop and get better. if they give you a hard time, its for a reason. go out and race your bike and stop whining about the good people who make it possible.
you don't need to have given birth to know how to deliver a baby. My upgrade issues were with Judy Miller, haven't tried for an upgrade since.
Dorkpiles???? Is that what its come to? Dorkpiles?
"But a guy like Alan should not be doing upgrades. It should be done by someone who has actually raced and understands how hard it its to finish in a leading pack of 20 in a race like Bear, GMSR, etc."
If you want to upgrade, get the points. If that requires a serious campaign of hitting the right races over the course of a year, do it. It's not comlicated.
post results in a timely fashion?
will you dorkpiles realize that was an april fools gag? jeez
i heard a rumor that the CRCA is being disbanded. a small group of private investors have purchased the rights to the 110 year old cycling club.
in their first press release earlier today they have chosen to disband the club board of directors, it's memberships and the corresponding sub-teams. The reasoning for this dramatic act is in response to the local based web-site NYVelocity.com and the negative comments posted on many of the sites pages.
But a guy like Alan should not be doing upgrades. It should be done by someone who has actually raced and understands how hard it its to finish in a leading pack of 20 in a race like Bear, GMSR, etc. IF you finished say 18th in every big race around for a year as a 4 (all within a minute or less of the winner) you should get a discretionary upgrade. Those results are much harder than say 5 wins in Prospect park as a 4 if you are a solid sprinter. A guy who has never been in the red or on the verge of puking on a climb to stay with the front group has no clue. That is why Dieter Drake was great for upgrades. Hes a racer...
The LA's of NY and NJ do the upgrades. USCF is too abstract. It's either Alan Atwood or Paula Grill in NJ.
Is Alan making it hard for 5's?
Wills Odonnells, please come baaaaacccckkkkkk. Now you guys have done it. For reals this time. He is gone for sure and now they might shut down the whole thing. No more Peleton East, no more WWV. Then what?? Without all those guys givin back to cycling we are all gonna be screwed. Nice job. I hope you're all happy. I hope you're pleased with yourselves. You wouldn't know a good thing if you made it yer homepage.
On the upside though, there should be some sweet ebay deals to be had on Soloist SLC SL training bikes, SRM's, powercranks and ceramic headset bearings from the soon to be defunct WWV team.
gave me a hard time with my upgrade from 5 to 4. YES from 5 to 4. They told me that I would need a greater variety of races than the local parks, and that they would not approve the next upgrade without that condition met. Why is it wrong for Will to want to see how he stacks up at a more competitive, longer, harder race as a 3? This is a guy who excels at 1 hour efforts-let's see how he fares at Battenkill, or Bear. He is obviously not sandbagging around here, racing in the p/1/2 races. On top of that, he is obviously not going pro anytime soon, holds a full time job, and has limited time to train, why does he have to move up? Again, be envious, but it doesn't take a great rider to do well in our local park races, not that Will isn't a great rider.
Perhaps they were blocking, but the pack strung out more their guys were on the front
the break so it would not make sence that they helped Mengoni to bring back the break. If they did, Scott should have a word with them. He was solid in the break and worked really hard. Unless they only started when they got word that Scott was not with the two who attacked.
JFT will you please weigh in on the Harris helmet. My sources say its made of marzipan
Will will be doing tri's. He's already signed up for Lake Placid and has withdrawn from Battenkill.
I meant "not sure when those two guys left the BREAK"
1st and 2nd place were from the break - the break had up to 11 guys but looked like it split up with about 4 laps to go - not sure when those two guys left the field. Foundatio and Mengoni were helping the field chase, and then Igor left the field with about 2 laps to go and rode through most of the break for 3rd. Most guys in the break were swept up on the last lap I think.
Also, could you guys slamming on the so-called sandbaggers at least sign your names. If you're so right (I'm not saying you're not) why not use your name(s).
What happened to the break in the PP 1/2/3 race? Was it caught in the late laps and were 1st and 2nd place remaining from the break or a late attack?
none of us really believe that WILL O quit, do we?
Those guys are flat out fast (most of them) and love bike racing and training. Nothing wrong with that. I suspect that Will will upgrade after Battenkill along with Freifelder who is getting close to the mandatory upgrade (2 wins at Bethel this year) both in breks. They are all positive in there training and racing. A bit over the top at times but I would take them over most of the wannabe racers on this site any day. Keep it up and good luck in the 2s.
will - o
casting shadows
wind in the willows
I wish my head was on a pillow
I hate to swallow
these stupid posts so shallow
if only
why you think it's cool to stay a cat 3 and then win all the Pro 123 races in the area? Maybe we're missing something. Do you want to win a big out of town race as a 3? Even though I would be very envious of you I can assure you that you will score way more brownie points if you do it as a cat 2 in a pro 123 out of town race. So come on, out with it, why not upgrade? Take Rashad and Rufus' examples. They both upgraded at the first opportunity they got and suffered badly in some of the out of town races but Rashad's leading the Spring series now and will probably do well in out of town races this year. You obviously worked damn hard. Why stay a three with the rest of us envious bastards?
Yes, I will be moving to South America. I am going to start a coffee growing business with all the prize money I won. Then I am going to Thailand to learn the Asian massage technique so that I can be the official therapist for you chumps. Please go away you Will O lovers and haters.
This might be the dumbest idea I've ever had. Why don't we just ask Will what his goals are for this season?
He has already volunteered his numbers, it might not be such a stretch to ask if he intents to apply for his upgrade and why he is still racing in the 3s.
So I ask, Dr. William O'Donnell, do you plan on getting your 2? If you are not could you please explain to the peanut gallery why?
Yeah that's about as funny as Dane Cook farting in a bag
That's about a Cat. 7 April Fool's Day Joke....stick to the TTs, doc
just buy an ad already?
But a swing and a miss, Doctor...
http://www.pelotoneast.com/showthread.php?p=7385#post7385
Asshole deserved it. Good riddance.
thanks for the video. that is pretty impressive!!
Not exactly the most stimulating video - a TT - but for those curious, it also has my power numbers below
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bObut1dx3uM
I love you all. The commentary here is so insightful. You guys are great.
APRIL FOOL!
He is definitely one of the strongest AROUND HERE, in a park, under 35 miles. I believe he has the right to see how he stacks up against a stacked field (cat 3) , in a race that lasts more than 1.5 hours, on a difficult course. If he blows away the group there, then yes he needs to upgrade. I would bet there are comparable cat 3's out there, just not in Central Park. Because he won BB he needs an upgrade???? Get over it, it isn't that hard to do well in our local races.
I posted the last time this came up and it was deleted. Not really sure why. Very few local races qualify legitimately for upgrade points, and obviously TTs don't at all. That isn't to say Will doesn't have the points to, I have no idea. I'd bet he isn't the runaway points gobbler these threads make it seem like.
I am tired of reading about Will O.
Can we talk about someone else? How about "you"? Let's us know what you are doing.
Will O won 7 road races last year and who knows how many TTs. He is probably the best TTer in the NE (including 1s and 2s). Maybe Roger A or a few of the Empire guys could give him a run.
TTs don't count for upgrading, so maybe he doesn't have enough points yet.
"can't have it both ways..."
Point well taken.
It's only 9:54pm here, but I guess it is already April 1st somewhere.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2008/apr08/apr01newsspecial
I wonder if it will be available on Time Warner cable channel
He is not sandbagging when he wins Pro1-3 park races and TTs. He is sandbagging when he refuses to upgrade so he can do the Big races (Bear, Battenkill etc) as a 3. He has over 7 wins in 2007 and should be forced to race all races as a Cat2. He wants to race the hard races as a 3 and the TTs and park races that suit him as a Pro1-3. You cant have it both ways. He should upgrade because he is way better than every Cat3 in the area with the exception of maybe Ryan Pettit!
Just curious - every sport has that age where you need to be on track or you are basically done, gymnastics and tennis is about 14 years old.
In cycling - if you are 25 and you are not on an official Pro or European pro team are you done?
Curious if any of the junior 19,20,21 guys that race in our races have a shot at being on the big scene one day....or if they were would they already be there?
Give us a break. Everyone knows that O'Donnell, nice guy though he may be, is not long for the 3's and would do fine right now in the 2's or 1's. You can see it from his results and his numbers.
Johnny Cakes
- Nick Bruno 3rd in the p/1/2/3
this kid is hot real talent nice racing with you in the break!
Sandbagging? Again? So your Will O'Donnell, you've entered nothing but 1/2/3 races so far this season. You've won at Branchbrook and Cape May in the 1/2/3. You were off the front for 40 miles at Prospect in the 1/2/3. I guess he'll have to enter the Tour de France before the sandbagging bullshit stops.
I've been meaning to talk to him about that. He should propably find a safe house or close relative he can stay with because he's probably wanted for murder.
now THAT is how to post a comment. well f---ing done.
Last time I checked Bethel was a bike RACE... stop bitching and race.
do gimbels and save your money for drugs
Open your mouth...
And doesn't post it anonymously, like some of those anonymous coward b@stards around here:
"'He does not give a show, he does not attack,' whoever says this - and I'm thinking about one particular NY journalist here, using a very liberal definition of the word journalist - does not understand anything about cycling," said Cadel Evans after winning the 8th Settimana Internazionale Coppi e Bartali.'
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2008/mar08/mar31news3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-sOPgaztjI
I am digging posting videos and seeing others do the same. A lot more fun than non-sense crap talk.
All these posts should be erased except the "doping confession." That was funny, but f*cked up that he lost his 67th place. Shouldn't there be a warning first?
Gacki
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hksil-KkebQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goBIe5rjX58
Johnny Cakes was so hard this week OMG -- one guy from Target Training showed up and literally killed a guy with a trident.
did someone say Gacki!?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQeurdivdDg&watch_response